I used to do my videos at Bill Hughes's gym in Long Beach when he had the ring and then when he had the dungeon. Great guy and a very good wrestler
Lotta conflict with the BG organization after a few years between east and west
Wow! Nice topic to remember the golden era of BGEast. I definitely love the old years of BGEast, most of my favorite matches and wrestlers belong to those years.
I agree with one of the comments here about the way to download a video when you buy it, hope they improve it.
This is indeed an interesting topic. I wonder whether any of the commentors are BGEast wrestlers.
We do have a good number of "old" and "new" BGEast wrestlers amongst the MF membership, including the legend himself. I wonder whether any of them would care to comment.
I have hundreds of tapes going way back. Like the earlier matches. They know that gutpunching is a central turn-on for viewers and stress it in videos a lot now. Some classic old matches featured it. Good article!
Being born in the 90s, what I consider old and new school is likely different from others on here. It's hard to say exactly what time period the stars that first enamored me came from (BG doesn't do a great job of time stamping their videos/catalogs) but the very first match I got my hands on was Military Muscle with Aryx Quinn and Marco Guerra.
Although I do find enjoyment in some of the new releases, I do find myself constantly going back to the older catalogs and I think if I were to break down all of the matches I've come to enjoy, I'd find that 75% of them were filmed closer to two decades ago. It's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what the difference is (certainly not for a lack of trying) but to me it always comes down to 3 things: the guys, the action, and the filming
The Guys - I'm a sucker for a tough guy. As a kid, I was always self-conscious of how stereotypically "masculine" I did (or mostly didn't) come across to my peers and elders and I think that, because I never felt comfortable sharing that insecurity, it seeped out in non-verbal ways - specifically the kinds of guys I was very drawn to. Rugged, cocky warriors were it for me. I liked a guy who looked like he could and wanted to fight you. It's obvious from their submission matches that guys like Doug Warren, Bud Orton, Dick the Prick, Scott Williams, Lance Jeffers, etc. know how to throw down and I think that ability granted them a certain level of confidence that came through in their matches. Even the guys who gravitated towards pro matches like Brooklyn Bodywrecker, Brad Rochelle, Kid Vicious, Cole Cassidy, etc. not only looked comfortable around a ring but still gave off the impression that they could absolutely throw down if they want to. When they talked shit, it sounds genuine. Compared to them, a lot of the newer guys don't give off the same type of confidence or aggressiveness, and the guys who do (such as Ethan Axel Andrews and Nathan Sargent) are often times not paired with guys who match that energy and athleticism and thus seemingly modify their performances to keep things consistent. That's not to say the current guys are at all bad! In most cases, I want to wrestle them. The difference is, with the old guys, I've always wanted to be them.
The Action - In the same way that professional wrestling on television has seemingly gotten more flashy to keep the attention of their core audience who have been watching the same thing for years for years, as well as keep new competitors at bay, BG seems to have done the same. That's not to say that the old matches weren't gimmicky. There are certainly examples of themed tapes (the two live audience award show Wrestlefest tapes, the oil wrestling Paradise tapes, the BDSM-themed Bodywrecker Bondage tapes, etc.) but it was fairly rare for the gimmicks to be a strong influence on that tapes action. Today's tapes appeared to be more frequently themed and those themes more often influence the match itself (such as the Forced to Flex, Wrestle Worship, and Strip Stakes tapes). The way these themes are implemented are often campy and in something like pro wrestling, where suspension of disbelief is often a prerequisite for enjoyment, that campiness can sometimes eject us from the action. In addition, I think that athleticism and comfort with fighting that I mentioned the older guys having has a major influence on the action. The major criticism that I can give the action of a lot of new matches is that they come across as over-choreographed. I think comes from a lot of the new guys potentially not having the same level of ring/mat comfort as the older guys (maybe from a relative lack of training or experience). The less you feel comfortable doing something on your own, the more you have to be led and rather than thinking about the finer details of making the performance believable (selling strikes/holds appropriately is a big one), you're focused on the following the directions you've been given, leading to a stiffer performance than if the basics were already second nature. Once again, that's not to say that the old matches weren't campy or never felt over-choreographed. A lot of the bodybuilder types who appeared in the early Hunkbash and Fantasymen tapes came across as very corny and stiff and compared to some of the other current studios (I'm looking at you Thunders Arena) BG East still plays it comparatively straight.
The Filming - There's not much to say here. I love the warm tint on a lot of the old tapes. It gives them the impression of being homemade and not overproduced. Better cameras and editing technology have lowered the barrier to entry for making "professional-looking" videos but it comes with the cost of things looking "sterile" and the videos lose that grungy nature that I appreciated in the old videos.
Overall, I love BG East. I've been watching their videos for at least 15 years now and the influence they've had on me coming to terms with my sexuality cannot be overstated. While I love the old tapes, I don't think that we're going to see anything like them again. The technology is different. The guys in those tapes grew up in a world that saw and valued a masculinity that looks different than what we do today and that affected the way they walk, talk, looked, and even fought. The world has changed and so have the guys. Personally, I think those changes are good and, while I'll miss the kind of guys that first lit my fire, I'm happy that the changes we've made as a society have allowed for all types of guys, including the new BG guys, to feel comfortable doing whatever comes naturally to them even if it isn't always what I'm into. I think, in terms of the action, there's some room for BG East to rediscover the formula that worked for them and incorporate some of its spirit back into the new scenes. Whether or not they do, I'll certainly keep supporting and hoping they stay a fixture in this little niche of ours for as long as I'm around.
What a breakdown man. I appreciate you for sharing this. I don’t have all that knowledge of BG East. I only watch old matches to study for mine and get ideas.
But I appreciate you sharing that. I’m sure it took you a long time to get to this place of comfort tyst you are and I’m sure that’ll greatly impact someone else. I’m sure Ash and the guys will really appreciate your sentiments when they see this.
I was going to put this in a blog post rather than revive a year-plus old thread with something fairly personal and only tangentially related to the original topic - but my original comments are important for the context, so please excuse me bringing this back to life for a bit.
I wrote my response to the question posed in the original post a little over a year and a half ago and, to be honest, it’s left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth ever since. For a long time, I couldn’t understand why. I felt like what I wrote was honest to my fondness for the era of BG that most resonated with me while still being respectful of what the studio is today and the guys featured in more recent releases. I do have a tendency to get in my own head about the way I come across to others and make them feel so, at first, I thought what was making me uncomfortable was just anxiety at the prospect of someone reading what I wrote and feeling disrespected or undervalued. Months went on, though, and I never received any indication that anyone from BG had even read my comments, much less reacted negatively to them - but reading my words back still didn’t sit right.
As I’m sure has been the case for many of you, my life has changed a lot since the beginning of last year and one of the biggest changes for me has been my commitment to bettering myself mentally and addressing years of self-esteem and self-worth issues. A large part of that has required me to take a really deep look into my status as a gay man and (at the time) a person who carried a lot of body fat and what I came to find was, when I looked at a lot of the negative characteristics I was constantly ascribing to myself, an overwhelming amount of them were rooted in some of the false and, frankly, harmful stereotypes about being gay and/or being “fat” that I had internalized: I was weak and lazy and lacked discipline, charisma, athleticism, and the physical and mental toughness that a man should have. As a matter of fact, when it boiled down to it, my biggest issue was that I ultimately believed that my attraction to men and the state of my body made me less of a man.
As I write that last statement for this post, I can’t help but cringe. Those are words I would never say to someone. I wouldn’t even say those words to myself on a daily basis. That’s what makes internalizing those stereotypes so harmful, eventually you don’t even have to explicitly make the association after awhile - it sits with you as part of of the pool of garbage descriptors you apply to yourself and, eventually you don’t even question where they came from. They become baked into the your image.
What does that have to do with my thoughts on BG East?
I touched on this on my original post: “As a kid, I was always self-conscious of how stereotypically "masculine" I did (or mostly didn't) come across to my peers and elders and I think that, because I never felt comfortable sharing that insecurity, it seeped out in non-verbal ways - specifically in the kinds of guys I was very drawn to” but, while I mentioned it, I think the behavior around that insecurity is worth digging into a little more. Sure, I was attracted to who I perceived to be “tough-guys”, but there’s more to it than that. When someone seems to have something that I do not, I typically am hit with one of two feelings: jealousy or reverence. I typically lean into jealousy if I think it’s something that I can never have and reverence if I think it’s something I can have if I work hard enough. When I started watching wrestling in my adolescence, I was fixated on the guys because they had bodies that didn’t look like mine and they looked and sounded and carried themselves in a way that made all the people in the crowds react to them. The guys I was drawn to were the “biggest” and “baddest” dudes. I thought they were tough guys. But, even as young guy, I recognized those guys were characters - like superheroes. I wasn’t jealous or envious of them because they weren’t real to me - they were ideals. I was struck with a mixture of wonder and sexual attraction. Even when I first found BG East, I had the same feelings because those guys were still just wrestling on the screen. That changed though, after discovering that there was a larger community of wrestlers and that some of those BG guys were actually accessible. I recognized that it was possible to find myself in the same scenarios as the guys I watched in those videos. I could have the same kinds of matches. But, in order to have those same kinds of matches as them, I needed to have the same type of body. I needed to look, speak, and act like those guys. What I interpreted as masculinity became the goal. The ideal became “real” and, because it was something that seemed attainable, I began to revere the guys who had it. As I said in the original comment “with the old guys, I've always wanted to be them.”
Here’s the whole problem with that line of thinking though… my masculinity never needed to be questioned. I never needed a certain type of body or attitude or voice or anything to make me more masculine. I’ve been able to have all sorts of matches being the person that I am right now - with my body being in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and with the way that I carry myself being exactly the way I always have. In fact, it was the insecurity about my self-worth and image because of my perceived need to be more “masculine” that hindered my attempts to explore this community the way I wanted to.
What made it worse was that I had been projecting the same beliefs about myself, rooted in crappy stereotypes, onto anyone who did not fit the specific image that I had grown to revere. It wasn’t that those guys were or are less confident or aggressive or genuine or athletic or any of the characteristics that I had pointed out that they lacked in my original comments, it just they didn’t always look the mold I had used to define what masculinity meant to me. What was leaving a sour taste in my mouth was that, for as nice and respectable as I was trying to make things sounds, the statement that I was making was that the guys making videos now are less of men than the guys making videos in the past. I was saying that I and the people I’ve had the opportunity to wrestle are less of men than the guys I wanted to be like. That’s simply not true and so to make a value judgment about the worth of someone’s work, body, and the products that they put out was wrong. Packed into that one paragraph was a whole mess of toxicity that those who read it initially might not have noticed, but it was there. It just took me time to be able to speak to what it was and why that is actually a problem. If one of the current BG guys read that paragraph, I can imagine that, at best, they thought that I was a bit of a tone-deaf jerk. At worst, what I wrote would have resonated with them and caused them to start internalizing the same negative beliefs about their masculinity or bodies that I had or further cement the ones they already had. That isn’t the way someone should feel when navigating this community and creating content for others to enjoy and it’s definitely not a feeling I want to knowingly contribute to.
At first I debated just leaving the comment, accepting my role in making this place just a little less positive, and moving on, but what I want to instead do is try and be a bit of an example: people can like what they like and enjoy watching some guys and matches more than others. That’s natural and, a lot of the time, it’s not that deep. I still love the old scenes that I love. I love the warm tint of the older videos. I still prefer a match that is or looks real vs one that looks more choreographed. I even have found newer preferences, like enjoying when explicit eroticism in matches appear to evolve directly from the implied tension of the combat itself rather than the combat appearing as the means to an inevitable erotic end. Our reasons for liking what we like are our business, but I think sometimes it’s worth exploring what is informing our preferences and opinions - we can learn a lot about ourselves and find things that might surprise us. And the best part is that if you, like me, find yourself addressing a negative belief system that has impacted a preference, you can find yourself revisiting things with new eyes, seeing them in a whole new light, and experience them resonating with you in a way that they never did previously. There are some REALLY good videos coming out of BG right now. Ash DeLeon, Freddy Campbell, Kayden Keller, Forest Taylor, Gabe Steel, Kirk Donahue, Brendan Byers, Sunny DeLeon, Ace Aarons, and Mason Brooks are regularly putting out absolute gold and going back and giving the matches of guys like Skip Vance, Drake Marcos and Steve Mason a fresh watch has introduced me to some of my current favorite scenes. The roster’s stacked and I think the dudes who are putting in that work should be held in just as high regard as some of my old favorites. And now that I do, It’s feels like I’m getting the opportunity to rediscover BG East all these years later.
Wow, great analysis and critique by Bobby Ben Carter - I agree with most of what you say. A few things I would add:
I appreciate there are still lots of older matches in the pipeline, but I wish BG would upgrade to at least HD if not 4K for new matches, and do "normal" downloads too rather than dto arena.
But overall, I prefer BG's approach especially with the older matches but even with the new ones, there's more depth to them somehow. Perhaps the guys are given more character in the roles they play than other companies. BG usually displays a much bigger range of the sort of wrestling moves I like :)
Wonderful post, bobbybencarter! Very insightful. I agree with everything you say 100%. As I've stated earlier, and as you say, I truly appreciate all the men who get in front of BGE's cameras, even if the style has changed over the years. I don't purchase as many BGE videos as I used to buy (was introduced to them in the late 80's) if/when I hit the PowerBall lottery I will buy everything!
When I first got turned on to BG (in more ways than one!) they had these personal ads in their newsletter and often BG wrestlers would appear there. I remember writing the Brooklyn Bodywrecker, saying how much I enjoyed his matches and too bad we were so far apart. In true BBW fashion he replied saying something like I'd better be happy living in "flyover land" (the Midwest) because if he did travel here he'd really give me a beatdown, and ended with "and I know you'd enjoy every minute of it!" He was right! LOL.
Damn Brooklyn Bodywrecker really worked for me. Loved how cocky and methodical he was. loved all his hanging sleepers. Wish I could find more video on him.
Agree with your detailed comments; I’ve always thought that the earlier BG wrestlers looked like the primary reason for being there was to wrestle each other regardless of how they and the match looked; this created a sexual tension for me that seemed more real than most of today’s releases.
Definitely without a doubt the older BG videos. To me, those were MEN. Todays wrestlers look like little kids and even the more “alpha” looking ones today would have gotten their asses handed to them by the older BG guys. There was something just more raw and masculine about the BG wrestlers of yesterday as opposed to todays wrestlers. I find matches today so boring and almost comical.
I like the old videos, I like the new videos and I appreciate the effort of both "old" guys and "new" guys on making of it :D
I'd like to see Gabriel Ross come back and film some content with guys such as Jax Atwell, Ethan Axel Andrews, Ash DeLeon and Kayden Keller :D
Hey guys! I've seen other forums where you could post about BG videos, but so glad to find this space. Ever since I was little I was drawn to wrestling on tv, and in the late 80's/early 90's BG was my introduction to what truly erotic wrestling could be.
I have to say I'm in the "old" BG camp. Reading these previous posts is a trip down memory lane! Where do I begin with my favorites? In no particular order: Jason Ward, Bryan Walsh, Jose, Doug Warren, Kid Leopard, Kid Vicious, PJ, Clint Morgan, Keith Sullivan, Shane McCall, Chuck Collins, Wade and Casey Cutler, Christopher Bruce, Joshua Goodman, and shortly after them, Mitch Colby, Cage Thunder, Rio Garza, Ray Dalton, Jonny Firestorm and Tyrell Thomsen. I know I'm forgetting many more!
No disrespect to the current stable of BG wrestlers, but I agree with the other commenters that have said the "old" BG matches were more organic and spontaneous. The wrestlers had more distinct personalities. The gear wasn't as fancy or flashy. I do appreciate what's being produced now and want to thank all the wrestlers for stepping in front of the cameras and giving us a good show. Guess I'm fond of what I originally saw in BG. Win I win that PowerBall I'll order one of everything!
BTW, I'm sure like myself, many of you get email notifications when BGE releases new videos. I seen there's a new Doug Warren match available, and I am going to order that tomorrow. I suspect it's a video that wasn't released earlier, but getting to see Doug back in action, whether then or now, I'm jumping on it!
In your remembrances, do you recall specific matches such as aggressive Heel Psycho Capone v Bryan Walsh in an outdoor ring, at night, in a fairgrounds setting, taunting the audience, telling them "Watch him suffer," or Bryan Walsh, as a measured Heel dishing out punishment over another, younger, Irish rassler named Dennis, who begs "No more, please, no more, no more," as Walsh carries out his mission? Wade Cutler being physically outclassed and dismantled by a Latin brute? Offerings of at least twenty+ years ago your message brought to mind.
the reason a lot of the matches are not available is a lot of the early content is owned by BG enterprise and they have uploaded all their old content to their site
Fav has to be bratpack 2 where the rosano twins wrestled each other freestyle. Both handsome young lads with killer bodies. Abs, chest, biceps and most of all, their pits! They were in singlets for falls one and two then pulled down their singlets to their waist for the last fall. I’d pay good money to get my hands on a copy of this, my copy was damaged beyond repair.
I would agree with Both, as they both have aspects of wrestling that turns me on. The old BG or BG Enterprise, was in Huntington CA I believe , they featured matches in a ring which seemed to be more real wrestling , There was also the Hollywood Muscleboys and Hollywood Musclehunks I enjoyed, They also had jockstrap wrestling, Fantasy Fight's XXX Wars etc. I have all of and enjoy the Arena matches all in a ring they featured real wrestling matches in skimpy gear, My favorites were Buddy Justice, Kid Leopard, Sean Cannon, Tommy Lopez, TNT Horrigan (also from BGE) Thom Katt. The older BG East was alot of fun especially the Brat Pack series which appeared to be a mat room in a basement or rec room. Those young guys really went at it hard and was a lot of fun to watch, TNT Horrigan, Joe Jackson, Dirty Doten, Robbie Cabez were some of my favorites. There also was a series of matches called Tennyson Wrestlers which were filmed at a local pro Indy shows featuring young guys and some of the Bratpack Wrestlers. then they got into more of the Fantasymen matches, with models and bodybuilders some were good matches but the others were kind of lame. I enjoy Todays BGE along with the other Wrestling companies as a lot of the wrestlers seem to appear in different companies, My all time favorite is Zack Reno, along with Cameron Matthews, Ty Alexander, Kirk Donahue, Austin Cooper, Reece Wells.
Lastly I would like to add that my first BG purchases were before video, when they had stories typed out on paper with b&w pictures attached, now those were my first exposure to underground wrestling , I still have some of those but if anyone else has some they want to sell, Message me .
I like both videos and I love to wear my black and peach or purple posers or my speedos to a wrestling match personality it gives me a rush and compliance about my self
Here recently I came across and purchased some vintage BG content. I bought two matches with Paul Perris (one of the most amazing overall bodies I've seen in this realm and really comfortable looking thongs), and one with Scottie Nyugen (another phenomenal body, especially the abs). But looking at those, there was this energy that's there that I don't see in the newer stuff. It felt more like wrestling and not like... showy, like the new stuff really on the nose what they're showing you. The original was more organic and dynamic. It seems guys had more personality to show. I really enjoyed the videos. Also the gear looked cooler then too. Now I am not wearing a thong in a match, lol. But, it looks comfortable to wear around the house. I have to consider buying those, I'm an active guy after all.
Anyway, which one do you guys prefer? Or do you prefer them both?
The older ones were fresher because there was only a mat room; it was gritty…more of a “boys will be boys” vibe. Gear was what was easily available in stores (no Amazon then!) While the private ring is hot, I think you’re right about the guys falling into a showier style. I really prefer to see two guys rolling around on the mat, fighting for dominance. Throwing each other around the ring? Just not my thing in the context of wrestling vids. It’s why I just can’t get into Rock Hard Wrestling’s vids, despite their having such gorgeous-bodied frat-boy-type guys. They jump around the ring far more than actually wrestling, and I find myself yelling at the screen “Fer crissakes, will SOMEBODY just do a scissor!” But, yeah, perhaps that’s just me. 😁
your reply was not as long winded as mine LOL, I agree with the earlier stuff on the mat and in the Bratpack and Private Bouts series those guys really went at it , I didn't care for the early ring stuff as it seemed the guys were more like posing instead of wrestling , Although I definitely enjoy Rock Hard matches as I have around 100 of them , Like the new 88 Wrestling I like the ring set up the darker lighting the gorgeous guys and hot gear of course, they do seem to do real pro style and do feature some hot holds, just thought i'd respond , Have a nice day.
I guess what I was saying in my long-winded way was that I prefer the older BG over the newer. (Still love BG over all other companies though…that’s important to note) Sorry if I went too far off topic!
No it's fine, you're just expressing yourself, that's how a conversation is supposed to be. Who's your favorite BG from old, who's your favorite in the new?
I don’t think I had specific favorites; it was more if they were my size, and the gear they wore. ProStudMI above listed several names that I certainly did enjoy watching.
it does seem to me that the newer guys have become "infected" with the glam and glitz that is the only stuff today's "wrestling" , pro at least, is about. i want my videos to at least "look" as though the matches were semi-serious and above all unplanned.
if only the older BG will coach the newer BG boys how to do it....i think i got into BG because of guys like doug warren, BBW, matt reid, tnt horrigan. All of them are bulging muscled in some way, moves they dish out looks alot more real/unplanned and you can hear from the screams from their jobbers sounded more 'in pain' somewhat. I dont remember when BG started to have twinks that heel bigger guys than them, one or two are good specially from seasoned guys like firestorm but a stable of them....a bit turn off for me. Heard there is another video company in town named Vertex Wrestling... they seem to have beefy guys who dont really script their matches, take as it goes, not much glam going on, more old school somewhat
The original BG, Brian George, wrestling based in Huntington Beach, California, used ex pro Heel, Bill Hughes, to coach the wrestlers, as well as use his ring, which was located in Long Beach. Hughes, aka The Iron Cross, hailed from the UK, but retired from pro wrestling in Australia to Long Beach. Not sure when the BG split occurred and Steve Driscoll moved his operation to Massachusetts. Anyone remember?
I met Bill Hughes when I lived in Long Beach, and saw a couple of matches at his mat room, in the basement of one of the apartments he owned. The original ring was destroyed in a fire, I believe. He was the nicest guy, and a great wrestling heel in his day. He made a fortune buying up properties in Long Beach in the 70's and 80's, and he was always very accommodating to other wrestlers who wanted to use his mat room for wrestling. He did have to be careful, though. One day, two guys were wrestling at his place, and one of the wrestlers got a broken leg! After that, everyone had to sign a waiver to take responsibility for whatever happened at the mat room. He was quite the character!
Hi, thanks for the info, I have 2 or 3 boxes of old BG Catalogs and pictures, unfortunately most of the catalogs are not dated and I threw out most of the envelopes, but I'm guessing early 90's I do have some of the old wrestling stories with the B&W pictures attached to them, do you have any of those or any of the old out of print videos BG offered?
i have some old bg catalogs too i scanned them under PDF format...i had ojd BG taoes that i ripped down in wmv Mpg or mp4 formats as i did with the first dvds
I encourage you all to do that..if not it will be lost
If you want to be sure to keep those files keep them on hard drives AT HOME..not online.
my best wrestlers were Johan veeda lozano brothers or rosano Jeff kenney Todd brophy dom d' arquette who was a Friend of mine as bikermann who did one or two vids "BG in Paris or Europe"
Of course a few other that i don't remember the name right ah yes.... fy chu..... Brigham Bell Doug Warren and i certainly forget some.
These fights were just two boys meeting for the pleaasure of entangle each othet or to hurt each other and..these boys next door fights were simply filmed in a simpleroom with mats' as we all did at home..on geds. Bratpack wad really good Tennyson Boys too also were the huge serie of Private Bouts
i remember a small company called Headbangers
Now nearly all the fights are staged this resultes in a lack a lack of stamina
great boys are there though as Eli Black Christian Taylor Billy Lodi Reese Wells...this list is not complete of course
In my fantasies i often imagine a fight with Jeff Kenney on Christian Taylor they both have same type of Physiques this would be an erotic phusical match close to nirvana for me
i d like to know what all those guys became..what they do...
I do wonder what ever happened to some of the wrestlers, older and recent . Tommy TNT Horrigan was my all time favorite, as well as Buddy Justice and Sean Cannon. I Know a good number of wrestlers in the arena series were also porn stars at the time too, (yes still have some of those VHS) I do like a lot of the guys you mentioned from the later years Bingham Bell was super hot but didn't do too many matches, I have all of those he did along with pictures from the photo series. Reese Wells another smaller well built cutie He also wrestled for Rock Hard Wrestling as Brody Hancock, always great watching him, I enjoy the Wet and Wild series it has a lot of the guys you mentioned wrestling in a pool, Such as Christian Tayler, Billy Lodi, Reese Wells, Skip Vance, Jake Jenkins, Len Harder (Love that name LOL).
You are right about some matches being lost. There are plenty in BG East’s vaults that are not currently available, and may never be again, for whatever reason.
Yes , I wish I would've had more money back in those days , I have a lot now , but definitely would have a lot more. I have almost everyone of their catalogs. I have emailed BG East about some of the old series and they have told me they are no longer available and they have no plans to release them in the future. I guess it probably has to do with getting permission from the wrestles involved. I am currently converting my old VHS to digital file before the tapes disintegrate. LOL .
KCwrestle (13)
03.9.2023 00:21I used to do my videos at Bill Hughes's gym in Long Beach when he had the ring and then when he had the dungeon. Great guy and a very good wrestler
Lotta conflict with the BG organization after a few years between east and west
FightGames (27 )
02.9.2023 08:34Original BG especielly Bratpacks or Tennyson
Zeus (15)
24.8.2023 14:39Original BG enterprise, original Can-Am and original BG East.
Prostud mi (31)
22.8.2023 17:32Original BG
young1man (13 )
25.1.2022 07:21https://www.gayforit.eu/video/922721/wrestle
while it's still available. BG Enterprise
FightGames (27 )
02.9.2023 08:36(In Antwort dazu)
download! like that you keep it
LeatherWrestlerUS (1)
25.1.2022 08:18(In Antwort dazu)
Love to see Jason Ward suffer. He does it so well.
Zeus (15)
27.8.2023 06:10(In Antwort dazu)
Isn’t he Bruce Braddock the guy in black trunks?
IKOYOU (3 )
27.8.2023 13:33(In Antwort dazu)
No, the one in black trunks is Lew, the Brooklyn Bodywrecker. It tells who the wrestlers are at 0:15.
FightGames (27 )
25.1.2022 07:43(In Antwort dazu)
2.30 first hard on
IKOYOU (3 )
16.1.2022 02:26Here’s a new upload of an old BG Enterprises video, which I had not seen until tonight.
https://www.gayforit.eu/video/921578/Vintage-wrestling-
LeatherWrestlerUS (1)
24.1.2022 10:16(In Antwort dazu)
I haven't seen this match before either. Thanks for providing the link, IKOYOU.
calwrestler (141)
16.1.2022 02:30(In Antwort dazu)
Great
Thanks
Much better than the pretty boys who pretend to wrestle
Zeus (15)
12.1.2022 00:55Wow! Nice topic to remember the golden era of BGEast. I definitely love the old years of BGEast, most of my favorite matches and wrestlers belong to those years.
I agree with one of the comments here about the way to download a video when you buy it, hope they improve it.
NJWoodbridge (139)
10.1.2022 05:25This is indeed an interesting topic. I wonder whether any of the commentors are BGEast wrestlers.
We do have a good number of "old" and "new" BGEast wrestlers amongst the MF membership, including the legend himself. I wonder whether any of them would care to comment.
NYC Wrestling (65)
10.1.2022 15:26(In Antwort dazu)
It would be really interesting to hear from any of them! I hope they do put in their two cents.
NYC Wrestling (65)
10.1.2022 15:26(In Antwort dazu)
It would be really interesting to hear from any of them! I hope they do put in their two cents.
abs007 (1)
05.1.2022 14:08There's a match with José and a smaller Latino guy that is amazing for gutwork. Maybe the first in the GUTBASH series!
abs007 (1)
05.1.2022 01:48I have hundreds of tapes going way back. Like the earlier matches. They know that gutpunching is a central turn-on for viewers and stress it in videos a lot now. Some classic old matches featured it. Good article!
bobbybencarter (96)
04.1.2022 02:40Being born in the 90s, what I consider old and new school is likely different from others on here. It's hard to say exactly what time period the stars that first enamored me came from (BG doesn't do a great job of time stamping their videos/catalogs) but the very first match I got my hands on was Military Muscle with Aryx Quinn and Marco Guerra.
Although I do find enjoyment in some of the new releases, I do find myself constantly going back to the older catalogs and I think if I were to break down all of the matches I've come to enjoy, I'd find that 75% of them were filmed closer to two decades ago. It's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what the difference is (certainly not for a lack of trying) but to me it always comes down to 3 things: the guys, the action, and the filming
The Guys - I'm a sucker for a tough guy. As a kid, I was always self-conscious of how stereotypically "masculine" I did (or mostly didn't) come across to my peers and elders and I think that, because I never felt comfortable sharing that insecurity, it seeped out in non-verbal ways - specifically the kinds of guys I was very drawn to. Rugged, cocky warriors were it for me. I liked a guy who looked like he could and wanted to fight you. It's obvious from their submission matches that guys like Doug Warren, Bud Orton, Dick the Prick, Scott Williams, Lance Jeffers, etc. know how to throw down and I think that ability granted them a certain level of confidence that came through in their matches. Even the guys who gravitated towards pro matches like Brooklyn Bodywrecker, Brad Rochelle, Kid Vicious, Cole Cassidy, etc. not only looked comfortable around a ring but still gave off the impression that they could absolutely throw down if they want to. When they talked shit, it sounds genuine. Compared to them, a lot of the newer guys don't give off the same type of confidence or aggressiveness, and the guys who do (such as Ethan Axel Andrews and Nathan Sargent) are often times not paired with guys who match that energy and athleticism and thus seemingly modify their performances to keep things consistent. That's not to say the current guys are at all bad! In most cases, I want to wrestle them. The difference is, with the old guys, I've always wanted to be them.
The Action - In the same way that professional wrestling on television has seemingly gotten more flashy to keep the attention of their core audience who have been watching the same thing for years for years, as well as keep new competitors at bay, BG seems to have done the same. That's not to say that the old matches weren't gimmicky. There are certainly examples of themed tapes (the two live audience award show Wrestlefest tapes, the oil wrestling Paradise tapes, the BDSM-themed Bodywrecker Bondage tapes, etc.) but it was fairly rare for the gimmicks to be a strong influence on that tapes action. Today's tapes appeared to be more frequently themed and those themes more often influence the match itself (such as the Forced to Flex, Wrestle Worship, and Strip Stakes tapes). The way these themes are implemented are often campy and in something like pro wrestling, where suspension of disbelief is often a prerequisite for enjoyment, that campiness can sometimes eject us from the action. In addition, I think that athleticism and comfort with fighting that I mentioned the older guys having has a major influence on the action. The major criticism that I can give the action of a lot of new matches is that they come across as over-choreographed. I think comes from a lot of the new guys potentially not having the same level of ring/mat comfort as the older guys (maybe from a relative lack of training or experience). The less you feel comfortable doing something on your own, the more you have to be led and rather than thinking about the finer details of making the performance believable (selling strikes/holds appropriately is a big one), you're focused on the following the directions you've been given, leading to a stiffer performance than if the basics were already second nature. Once again, that's not to say that the old matches weren't campy or never felt over-choreographed. A lot of the bodybuilder types who appeared in the early Hunkbash and Fantasymen tapes came across as very corny and stiff and compared to some of the other current studios (I'm looking at you Thunders Arena) BG East still plays it comparatively straight.
The Filming - There's not much to say here. I love the warm tint on a lot of the old tapes. It gives them the impression of being homemade and not overproduced. Better cameras and editing technology have lowered the barrier to entry for making "professional-looking" videos but it comes with the cost of things looking "sterile" and the videos lose that grungy nature that I appreciated in the old videos.
Overall, I love BG East. I've been watching their videos for at least 15 years now and the influence they've had on me coming to terms with my sexuality cannot be overstated. While I love the old tapes, I don't think that we're going to see anything like them again. The technology is different. The guys in those tapes grew up in a world that saw and valued a masculinity that looks different than what we do today and that affected the way they walk, talk, looked, and even fought. The world has changed and so have the guys. Personally, I think those changes are good and, while I'll miss the kind of guys that first lit my fire, I'm happy that the changes we've made as a society have allowed for all types of guys, including the new BG guys, to feel comfortable doing whatever comes naturally to them even if it isn't always what I'm into. I think, in terms of the action, there's some room for BG East to rediscover the formula that worked for them and incorporate some of its spirit back into the new scenes. Whether or not they do, I'll certainly keep supporting and hoping they stay a fixture in this little niche of ours for as long as I'm around.
matmansk (2)
25.8.2023 00:18(In Antwort dazu)
Terrific commentary. Thanks for putting so much thought and time into your response.
TakeThePunchesAI (13)
22.8.2023 04:53(In Antwort dazu)
What a breakdown man. I appreciate you for sharing this. I don’t have all that knowledge of BG East. I only watch old matches to study for mine and get ideas.
But I appreciate you sharing that. I’m sure it took you a long time to get to this place of comfort tyst you are and I’m sure that’ll greatly impact someone else. I’m sure Ash and the guys will really appreciate your sentiments when they see this.
bobbybencarter (96)
22.8.2023 03:58(In Antwort dazu)
I was going to put this in a blog post rather than revive a year-plus old thread with something fairly personal and only tangentially related to the original topic - but my original comments are important for the context, so please excuse me bringing this back to life for a bit.
I wrote my response to the question posed in the original post a little over a year and a half ago and, to be honest, it’s left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth ever since. For a long time, I couldn’t understand why. I felt like what I wrote was honest to my fondness for the era of BG that most resonated with me while still being respectful of what the studio is today and the guys featured in more recent releases. I do have a tendency to get in my own head about the way I come across to others and make them feel so, at first, I thought what was making me uncomfortable was just anxiety at the prospect of someone reading what I wrote and feeling disrespected or undervalued. Months went on, though, and I never received any indication that anyone from BG had even read my comments, much less reacted negatively to them - but reading my words back still didn’t sit right.
As I’m sure has been the case for many of you, my life has changed a lot since the beginning of last year and one of the biggest changes for me has been my commitment to bettering myself mentally and addressing years of self-esteem and self-worth issues. A large part of that has required me to take a really deep look into my status as a gay man and (at the time) a person who carried a lot of body fat and what I came to find was, when I looked at a lot of the negative characteristics I was constantly ascribing to myself, an overwhelming amount of them were rooted in some of the false and, frankly, harmful stereotypes about being gay and/or being “fat” that I had internalized: I was weak and lazy and lacked discipline, charisma, athleticism, and the physical and mental toughness that a man should have. As a matter of fact, when it boiled down to it, my biggest issue was that I ultimately believed that my attraction to men and the state of my body made me less of a man.
As I write that last statement for this post, I can’t help but cringe. Those are words I would never say to someone. I wouldn’t even say those words to myself on a daily basis. That’s what makes internalizing those stereotypes so harmful, eventually you don’t even have to explicitly make the association after awhile - it sits with you as part of of the pool of garbage descriptors you apply to yourself and, eventually you don’t even question where they came from. They become baked into the your image.
What does that have to do with my thoughts on BG East?
I touched on this on my original post: “As a kid, I was always self-conscious of how stereotypically "masculine" I did (or mostly didn't) come across to my peers and elders and I think that, because I never felt comfortable sharing that insecurity, it seeped out in non-verbal ways - specifically in the kinds of guys I was very drawn to” but, while I mentioned it, I think the behavior around that insecurity is worth digging into a little more. Sure, I was attracted to who I perceived to be “tough-guys”, but there’s more to it than that. When someone seems to have something that I do not, I typically am hit with one of two feelings: jealousy or reverence. I typically lean into jealousy if I think it’s something that I can never have and reverence if I think it’s something I can have if I work hard enough. When I started watching wrestling in my adolescence, I was fixated on the guys because they had bodies that didn’t look like mine and they looked and sounded and carried themselves in a way that made all the people in the crowds react to them. The guys I was drawn to were the “biggest” and “baddest” dudes. I thought they were tough guys. But, even as young guy, I recognized those guys were characters - like superheroes. I wasn’t jealous or envious of them because they weren’t real to me - they were ideals. I was struck with a mixture of wonder and sexual attraction. Even when I first found BG East, I had the same feelings because those guys were still just wrestling on the screen. That changed though, after discovering that there was a larger community of wrestlers and that some of those BG guys were actually accessible. I recognized that it was possible to find myself in the same scenarios as the guys I watched in those videos. I could have the same kinds of matches. But, in order to have those same kinds of matches as them, I needed to have the same type of body. I needed to look, speak, and act like those guys. What I interpreted as masculinity became the goal. The ideal became “real” and, because it was something that seemed attainable, I began to revere the guys who had it. As I said in the original comment “with the old guys, I've always wanted to be them.”
Here’s the whole problem with that line of thinking though… my masculinity never needed to be questioned. I never needed a certain type of body or attitude or voice or anything to make me more masculine. I’ve been able to have all sorts of matches being the person that I am right now - with my body being in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and with the way that I carry myself being exactly the way I always have. In fact, it was the insecurity about my self-worth and image because of my perceived need to be more “masculine” that hindered my attempts to explore this community the way I wanted to.
What made it worse was that I had been projecting the same beliefs about myself, rooted in crappy stereotypes, onto anyone who did not fit the specific image that I had grown to revere. It wasn’t that those guys were or are less confident or aggressive or genuine or athletic or any of the characteristics that I had pointed out that they lacked in my original comments, it just they didn’t always look the mold I had used to define what masculinity meant to me. What was leaving a sour taste in my mouth was that, for as nice and respectable as I was trying to make things sounds, the statement that I was making was that the guys making videos now are less of men than the guys making videos in the past. I was saying that I and the people I’ve had the opportunity to wrestle are less of men than the guys I wanted to be like. That’s simply not true and so to make a value judgment about the worth of someone’s work, body, and the products that they put out was wrong. Packed into that one paragraph was a whole mess of toxicity that those who read it initially might not have noticed, but it was there. It just took me time to be able to speak to what it was and why that is actually a problem. If one of the current BG guys read that paragraph, I can imagine that, at best, they thought that I was a bit of a tone-deaf jerk. At worst, what I wrote would have resonated with them and caused them to start internalizing the same negative beliefs about their masculinity or bodies that I had or further cement the ones they already had. That isn’t the way someone should feel when navigating this community and creating content for others to enjoy and it’s definitely not a feeling I want to knowingly contribute to.
At first I debated just leaving the comment, accepting my role in making this place just a little less positive, and moving on, but what I want to instead do is try and be a bit of an example: people can like what they like and enjoy watching some guys and matches more than others. That’s natural and, a lot of the time, it’s not that deep. I still love the old scenes that I love. I love the warm tint of the older videos. I still prefer a match that is or looks real vs one that looks more choreographed. I even have found newer preferences, like enjoying when explicit eroticism in matches appear to evolve directly from the implied tension of the combat itself rather than the combat appearing as the means to an inevitable erotic end. Our reasons for liking what we like are our business, but I think sometimes it’s worth exploring what is informing our preferences and opinions - we can learn a lot about ourselves and find things that might surprise us. And the best part is that if you, like me, find yourself addressing a negative belief system that has impacted a preference, you can find yourself revisiting things with new eyes, seeing them in a whole new light, and experience them resonating with you in a way that they never did previously. There are some REALLY good videos coming out of BG right now. Ash DeLeon, Freddy Campbell, Kayden Keller, Forest Taylor, Gabe Steel, Kirk Donahue, Brendan Byers, Sunny DeLeon, Ace Aarons, and Mason Brooks are regularly putting out absolute gold and going back and giving the matches of guys like Skip Vance, Drake Marcos and Steve Mason a fresh watch has introduced me to some of my current favorite scenes. The roster’s stacked and I think the dudes who are putting in that work should be held in just as high regard as some of my old favorites. And now that I do, It’s feels like I’m getting the opportunity to rediscover BG East all these years later.
LondonHeel (4)
09.1.2022 16:29(In Antwort dazu)
Wow, great analysis and critique by Bobby Ben Carter - I agree with most of what you say. A few things I would add:
LeatherWrestlerUS (1)
05.1.2022 03:36(In Antwort dazu)
Wonderful post, bobbybencarter! Very insightful. I agree with everything you say 100%. As I've stated earlier, and as you say, I truly appreciate all the men who get in front of BGE's cameras, even if the style has changed over the years. I don't purchase as many BGE videos as I used to buy (was introduced to them in the late 80's) if/when I hit the PowerBall lottery I will buy everything!
When I first got turned on to BG (in more ways than one!) they had these personal ads in their newsletter and often BG wrestlers would appear there. I remember writing the Brooklyn Bodywrecker, saying how much I enjoyed his matches and too bad we were so far apart. In true BBW fashion he replied saying something like I'd better be happy living in "flyover land" (the Midwest) because if he did travel here he'd really give me a beatdown, and ended with "and I know you'd enjoy every minute of it!" He was right! LOL.
NYC Wrestling (65)
04.1.2022 19:34(In Antwort dazu)
Excellent article. I especially like one statement about the BG East guys: “today I want to wrestle them, back then I wanted to be them”.
prospeedo (14)
04.1.2022 14:11(In Antwort dazu)
Damn Brooklyn Bodywrecker really worked for me. Loved how cocky and methodical he was. loved all his hanging sleepers. Wish I could find more video on him.
prospeedo
ukscisors (21)
04.1.2022 10:38(In Antwort dazu)
Agree with your detailed comments; I’ve always thought that the earlier BG wrestlers looked like the primary reason for being there was to wrestle each other regardless of how they and the match looked; this created a sexual tension for me that seemed more real than most of today’s releases.
Satexonthemat (1)
30.12.2021 05:51Definitely without a doubt the older BG videos. To me, those were MEN. Todays wrestlers look like little kids and even the more “alpha” looking ones today would have gotten their asses handed to them by the older BG guys. There was something just more raw and masculine about the BG wrestlers of yesterday as opposed to todays wrestlers. I find matches today so boring and almost comical.
ribash (11)
27.12.2021 12:27I like the old videos, I like the new videos and I appreciate the effort of both "old" guys and "new" guys on making of it :D
I'd like to see Gabriel Ross come back and film some content with guys such as Jax Atwell, Ethan Axel Andrews, Ash DeLeon and Kayden Keller :D
lovewrestling (35)
26.12.2021 18:58I love the BG East videos and my favourites are Liam Ryan, Dino Serra, Shane McCall, Gabriel Ross and Sebastian Rios.
I lost my video of Dino Serra VS Liam Ryan and would love to have it again!
LeatherWrestlerUS (1)
26.12.2021 04:17Hey guys! I've seen other forums where you could post about BG videos, but so glad to find this space. Ever since I was little I was drawn to wrestling on tv, and in the late 80's/early 90's BG was my introduction to what truly erotic wrestling could be.
I have to say I'm in the "old" BG camp. Reading these previous posts is a trip down memory lane! Where do I begin with my favorites? In no particular order: Jason Ward, Bryan Walsh, Jose, Doug Warren, Kid Leopard, Kid Vicious, PJ, Clint Morgan, Keith Sullivan, Shane McCall, Chuck Collins, Wade and Casey Cutler, Christopher Bruce, Joshua Goodman, and shortly after them, Mitch Colby, Cage Thunder, Rio Garza, Ray Dalton, Jonny Firestorm and Tyrell Thomsen. I know I'm forgetting many more!
No disrespect to the current stable of BG wrestlers, but I agree with the other commenters that have said the "old" BG matches were more organic and spontaneous. The wrestlers had more distinct personalities. The gear wasn't as fancy or flashy. I do appreciate what's being produced now and want to thank all the wrestlers for stepping in front of the cameras and giving us a good show. Guess I'm fond of what I originally saw in BG. Win I win that PowerBall I'll order one of everything!
BTW, I'm sure like myself, many of you get email notifications when BGE releases new videos. I seen there's a new Doug Warren match available, and I am going to order that tomorrow. I suspect it's a video that wasn't released earlier, but getting to see Doug back in action, whether then or now, I'm jumping on it!
Prostud mi (31)
26.12.2021 15:26(In Antwort dazu)
It was also nice to see Shane McCall come back and do a few matches in the past couple years, he was one of my favorites.
LeatherWrestlerUS (1)
27.12.2021 09:54(In Antwort dazu)
Oh, hell yeah! I snapped up those Shane McCall matches. Woof!
Gregorio2 (10)
26.12.2021 05:13(In Antwort dazu)
In your remembrances, do you recall specific matches such as aggressive Heel Psycho Capone v Bryan Walsh in an outdoor ring, at night, in a fairgrounds setting, taunting the audience, telling them "Watch him suffer," or Bryan Walsh, as a measured Heel dishing out punishment over another, younger, Irish rassler named Dennis, who begs "No more, please, no more, no more," as Walsh carries out his mission? Wade Cutler being physically outclassed and dismantled by a Latin brute? Offerings of at least twenty+ years ago your message brought to mind.
LeatherWrestlerUS (1)
27.12.2021 09:53(In Antwort dazu)
All these matches sound great, but can't say if I've seen them. Sorry, but my library isn't very organized.
bgwrestle (3)
24.12.2021 07:49the reason a lot of the matches are not available is a lot of the early content is owned by BG enterprise and they have uploaded all their old content to their site
matttmann (0)
21.12.2021 18:56Fav has to be bratpack 2 where the rosano twins wrestled each other freestyle. Both handsome young lads with killer bodies. Abs, chest, biceps and most of all, their pits! They were in singlets for falls one and two then pulled down their singlets to their waist for the last fall. I’d pay good money to get my hands on a copy of this, my copy was damaged beyond repair.
NYC Wrestling (65)
21.12.2021 19:06(In Antwort dazu)
Hell yeah I remember that one! But I don’t think I still have my copy of it anymore…
calwrestler (141)
05.1.2022 05:22(In Antwort dazu)
If you find it i want to see it in June in NYC!
movik (27)
20.12.2021 18:25when we were younger those videos made as hard on even faster)))
Prostud mi (31)
20.12.2021 16:14I would agree with Both, as they both have aspects of wrestling that turns me on. The old BG or BG Enterprise, was in Huntington CA I believe , they featured matches in a ring which seemed to be more real wrestling , There was also the Hollywood Muscleboys and Hollywood Musclehunks I enjoyed, They also had jockstrap wrestling, Fantasy Fight's XXX Wars etc. I have all of and enjoy the Arena matches all in a ring they featured real wrestling matches in skimpy gear, My favorites were Buddy Justice, Kid Leopard, Sean Cannon, Tommy Lopez, TNT Horrigan (also from BGE) Thom Katt. The older BG East was alot of fun especially the Brat Pack series which appeared to be a mat room in a basement or rec room. Those young guys really went at it hard and was a lot of fun to watch, TNT Horrigan, Joe Jackson, Dirty Doten, Robbie Cabez were some of my favorites. There also was a series of matches called Tennyson Wrestlers which were filmed at a local pro Indy shows featuring young guys and some of the Bratpack Wrestlers. then they got into more of the Fantasymen matches, with models and bodybuilders some were good matches but the others were kind of lame. I enjoy Todays BGE along with the other Wrestling companies as a lot of the wrestlers seem to appear in different companies, My all time favorite is Zack Reno, along with Cameron Matthews, Ty Alexander, Kirk Donahue, Austin Cooper, Reece Wells.
Lastly I would like to add that my first BG purchases were before video, when they had stories typed out on paper with b&w pictures attached, now those were my first exposure to underground wrestling , I still have some of those but if anyone else has some they want to sell, Message me .
TakeThePunchesAI (13)
20.12.2021 23:21(In Antwort dazu)
I appreciate the input, this older stuff is new to me. So was the peak of all of this like the 80s and 90s?
amateurwrestler14 (0 )
20.12.2021 15:56I like both videos and I love to wear my black and peach or purple posers or my speedos to a wrestling match personality it gives me a rush and compliance about my self
TakeThePunchesAI (13)
20.12.2021 23:22(In Antwort dazu)
If I did wear one in a match (definitely not, lol), it would be like a sharp orange or something. A zesty looking orange.
Boxmuaywrestling (10 )
20.12.2021 11:40I prefer both
rasslin bodybuilder (205 )
20.12.2021 06:05i wear posers and thongs all the time around the house. they are comfy. i also wrestle in them as well.
TakeThePunchesAI (13)
20.12.2021 03:57Here recently I came across and purchased some vintage BG content. I bought two matches with Paul Perris (one of the most amazing overall bodies I've seen in this realm and really comfortable looking thongs), and one with Scottie Nyugen (another phenomenal body, especially the abs). But looking at those, there was this energy that's there that I don't see in the newer stuff. It felt more like wrestling and not like... showy, like the new stuff really on the nose what they're showing you. The original was more organic and dynamic. It seems guys had more personality to show. I really enjoyed the videos. Also the gear looked cooler then too. Now I am not wearing a thong in a match, lol. But, it looks comfortable to wear around the house. I have to consider buying those, I'm an active guy after all.
Anyway, which one do you guys prefer? Or do you prefer them both?
NYC Wrestling (65)
20.12.2021 15:38(In Antwort dazu)
The older ones were fresher because there was only a mat room; it was gritty…more of a “boys will be boys” vibe. Gear was what was easily available in stores (no Amazon then!) While the private ring is hot, I think you’re right about the guys falling into a showier style. I really prefer to see two guys rolling around on the mat, fighting for dominance. Throwing each other around the ring? Just not my thing in the context of wrestling vids. It’s why I just can’t get into Rock Hard Wrestling’s vids, despite their having such gorgeous-bodied frat-boy-type guys. They jump around the ring far more than actually wrestling, and I find myself yelling at the screen “Fer crissakes, will SOMEBODY just do a scissor!” But, yeah, perhaps that’s just me. 😁
calwrestler (141)
10.1.2022 16:42(In Antwort dazu)
I'll scissor you......you'll never forget it ! ;)
Prostud mi (31)
20.12.2021 16:20(In Antwort dazu)
your reply was not as long winded as mine LOL, I agree with the earlier stuff on the mat and in the Bratpack and Private Bouts series those guys really went at it , I didn't care for the early ring stuff as it seemed the guys were more like posing instead of wrestling , Although I definitely enjoy Rock Hard matches as I have around 100 of them , Like the new 88 Wrestling I like the ring set up the darker lighting the gorgeous guys and hot gear of course, they do seem to do real pro style and do feature some hot holds, just thought i'd respond , Have a nice day.
TakeThePunchesAI (13)
20.12.2021 15:40(In Antwort dazu)
Yeah there's a small few I like in the new era.
NYC Wrestling (65)
20.12.2021 15:43(In Antwort dazu)
I guess what I was saying in my long-winded way was that I prefer the older BG over the newer. (Still love BG over all other companies though…that’s important to note) Sorry if I went too far off topic!
TakeThePunchesAI (13)
20.12.2021 15:44(In Antwort dazu)
No it's fine, you're just expressing yourself, that's how a conversation is supposed to be. Who's your favorite BG from old, who's your favorite in the new?
NYC Wrestling (65)
20.12.2021 17:29(In Antwort dazu)
I don’t think I had specific favorites; it was more if they were my size, and the gear they wore. ProStudMI above listed several names that I certainly did enjoy watching.
TakeThePunchesAI (13)
20.12.2021 23:23(In Antwort dazu)
Oh Okay. Eli Black was a fav of mine in the new generation.
wrestman (18)
20.12.2021 15:16(In Antwort dazu)
it does seem to me that the newer guys have become "infected" with the glam and glitz that is the only stuff today's "wrestling" , pro at least, is about. i want my videos to at least "look" as though the matches were semi-serious and above all unplanned.
rasslin bodybuilder (205 )
20.12.2021 16:04(In Antwort dazu)
if only the older BG will coach the newer BG boys how to do it....i think i got into BG because of guys like doug warren, BBW, matt reid, tnt horrigan. All of them are bulging muscled in some way, moves they dish out looks alot more real/unplanned and you can hear from the screams from their jobbers sounded more 'in pain' somewhat. I dont remember when BG started to have twinks that heel bigger guys than them, one or two are good specially from seasoned guys like firestorm but a stable of them....a bit turn off for me. Heard there is another video company in town named Vertex Wrestling... they seem to have beefy guys who dont really script their matches, take as it goes, not much glam going on, more old school somewhat
Gregorio2 (10)
22.12.2021 20:09(In Antwort dazu)
The original BG, Brian George, wrestling based in Huntington Beach, California, used ex pro Heel, Bill Hughes, to coach the wrestlers, as well as use his ring, which was located in Long Beach. Hughes, aka The Iron Cross, hailed from the UK, but retired from pro wrestling in Australia to Long Beach. Not sure when the BG split occurred and Steve Driscoll moved his operation to Massachusetts. Anyone remember?
DaveStillWrestles (22 )
27.12.2021 16:57(In Antwort dazu)
I met Bill Hughes when I lived in Long Beach, and saw a couple of matches at his mat room, in the basement of one of the apartments he owned. The original ring was destroyed in a fire, I believe. He was the nicest guy, and a great wrestling heel in his day. He made a fortune buying up properties in Long Beach in the 70's and 80's, and he was always very accommodating to other wrestlers who wanted to use his mat room for wrestling. He did have to be careful, though. One day, two guys were wrestling at his place, and one of the wrestlers got a broken leg! After that, everyone had to sign a waiver to take responsibility for whatever happened at the mat room. He was quite the character!
Prostud mi (31)
22.12.2021 21:11(In Antwort dazu)
Hi, thanks for the info, I have 2 or 3 boxes of old BG Catalogs and pictures, unfortunately most of the catalogs are not dated and I threw out most of the envelopes, but I'm guessing early 90's I do have some of the old wrestling stories with the B&W pictures attached to them, do you have any of those or any of the old out of print videos BG offered?
FightGames (27 )
23.12.2021 05:51(In Antwort dazu)
i have some old bg catalogs too i scanned them under PDF format...i had ojd BG taoes that i ripped down in wmv Mpg or mp4 formats as i did with the first dvds
I encourage you all to do that..if not it will be lost
If you want to be sure to keep those files keep them on hard drives AT HOME..not online.
my best wrestlers were Johan veeda lozano brothers or rosano Jeff kenney Todd brophy dom d' arquette who was a Friend of mine as bikermann who did one or two vids "BG in Paris or Europe"
Of course a few other that i don't remember the name right ah yes.... fy chu..... Brigham Bell Doug Warren and i certainly forget some.
These fights were just two boys meeting for the pleaasure of entangle each othet or to hurt each other and..these boys next door fights were simply filmed in a simpleroom with mats' as we all did at home..on geds. Bratpack wad really good Tennyson Boys too also were the huge serie of Private Bouts
i remember a small company called Headbangers
Now nearly all the fights are staged this resultes in a lack a lack of stamina
great boys are there though as Eli Black Christian Taylor Billy Lodi Reese Wells...this list is not complete of course
In my fantasies i often imagine a fight with Jeff Kenney on Christian Taylor they both have same type of Physiques this would be an erotic phusical match close to nirvana for me
i d like to know what all those guys became..what they do...
Prostud mi (31)
23.12.2021 19:49(In Antwort dazu)
I do wonder what ever happened to some of the wrestlers, older and recent . Tommy TNT Horrigan was my all time favorite, as well as Buddy Justice and Sean Cannon. I Know a good number of wrestlers in the arena series were also porn stars at the time too, (yes still have some of those VHS) I do like a lot of the guys you mentioned from the later years Bingham Bell was super hot but didn't do too many matches, I have all of those he did along with pictures from the photo series. Reese Wells another smaller well built cutie He also wrestled for Rock Hard Wrestling as Brody Hancock, always great watching him, I enjoy the Wet and Wild series it has a lot of the guys you mentioned wrestling in a pool, Such as Christian Tayler, Billy Lodi, Reese Wells, Skip Vance, Jake Jenkins, Len Harder (Love that name LOL).
NYC Wrestling (65)
23.12.2021 18:17(In Antwort dazu)
You are right about some matches being lost. There are plenty in BG East’s vaults that are not currently available, and may never be again, for whatever reason.
Prostud mi (31)
23.12.2021 19:39(In Antwort dazu)
Yes , I wish I would've had more money back in those days , I have a lot now , but definitely would have a lot more. I have almost everyone of their catalogs. I have emailed BG East about some of the old series and they have told me they are no longer available and they have no plans to release them in the future. I guess it probably has to do with getting permission from the wrestles involved. I am currently converting my old VHS to digital file before the tapes disintegrate. LOL .